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4: Re: Underpinning Discussion?
In response to 1 03/19/06 04:39 PM
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Ernie, I love this capability as you have intantiated it in the interface. (By the way, is this planned for 1.1, 1.2, or beyond?)

That said, I think there are some special cases that are worth considering. There are times when you want to encourage meta conversations about an activity, a sequence, or a curriculum of sequences. These conversations could be either one-to-one (i.e., a note from the student to the professor) or one-to-many (i.e., a post on a shared discussion thread). For now, let's focus on the latter family of use cases.

If I want to have a a meta-conversation capability at the sequence level, then the Optional Activities capability as you have it mocked up works great. Students can go post questions or observations in the optional discussion board at any time and faculty can pose over-arching conversation topics to be maintained as running discourse throughout the sequence.

One might also want to have focused conversations connected to a particular activity, most commonly in cases where students are asking for clarification around the activity or the related content. Ideally, this would be a one-to-many conversation, since other students may have the same questions. And it would be easy to access from within the activity itself. It may be that having the "optional" forum one click away is adequate. However, it would be particularly slick if there were a capability to attach what amounts to a thread-starting capability automatically to the bottom of every activity. Clicking on an "ask a question" icon might take the students directly to a new post screen in the "optional" discussion board and assign a default subject line or category to the post that links it to the activity the student was in. This might be overkill in the LAMS interface, though we find it to be useful in our own homegrown system.

In the final use case in this group, one might want a discussion board at the class level, i.e., at the level above any individual sequence that makes up the course curriculum. In general, this may be a function you decide to delegate to the integrating LMS. (That would be my inclination.) But it raises a more general question about the degree to which LAMS should provide either communication or monitoring capabilities above the sequence level. At the very least, I would argue that LAMS should provide course-level roll-up reporting of student progress in and submissions to the various sequences in the course.

But I digress. The main question is whether the need to allow student-initiated group discussions around an activity is strong enough and unique enough to merit special treatment of some sort. What do you think?

Posted by Michael Feldstein

5: Re: Re: Underpinning Discussion?
In response to 4 03/19/06 05:33 PM
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I have used that option of just setting a forum as a 'sequence' on its own. This can be used for those more general questions or that meta understanding as you were suggestiong Michael. It sits outside the other sequences and works at a more general level. Students contribute as questions arise or ideas surface.

You could add 'chat' as well so if students want to get together and share ideas more synchronously they can choose either chat or forum.

Posted by Robyn Philip

6: Re: Re: Re: Underpinning Discussion?
In response to 5 03/19/06 06:02 PM
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Yes, my thought was the same as Robyn's - you can always have a second sequence running which has just a single Forum in it (and *not* "lock when finished"). Students then access this from the list of Available Sequences in the Learner interface. This would work fine for simple contexts where you're using LAMS on its own, or separate from any other portal or LMS-like system.

Michael's comments go more to the heart of how LAMS integrates with related learning systems like portals/LMS. I think there will be a number of ways this will be done in the future, so I'm hoping that the next generation of LAMS (currently called V1.1, but in a few months we're going to rename this to V2.0 - fyi) will provide flexible integration options.

You can already see indications of this in the LAMS to LMS integrations we've done. Students click on a link in their LMS course page to jump straight into the relevant LAMS sequence; so you could have a second link to a LAMS Forum (running as a sequence with just one activity - Forum) on the LMS course page, and then you wouldn't need to ever see the "Available Sequences" page. I expect that as LAMS evolves, it will provide (at least) two options: a top level listing page (like Available Sequences) for those who use LAMS stand alone; and URL links to sequences that can be incorporated into the portal/LMS.

All this is applies to contexts where you want a Forum outside an individual sequence - such as a meta-level discussion area. I'd see this as different to Ernie's comments about non-sequenced Forums inside a sequence - which is also a great idea. I think this feature would be useful for when you want a Forum inside a sequence (ie, for discussion just about the sequence topic, not a meta-level discussion), but not within a structured flow of tasks. This would be particularly useful in contexts where students find too much structure to be constraining/limiting (I know this issue has come up with use of LAMS at Oxford).

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