Forum LAMS for Tech-Heads - General Forum: Re: Survey bug in LAMS 2.3.5 ?

By: Daniel Schneider

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Cool that you look into this quickly:

I attached a file that shows the questions being renumbered bug.

* User clicks on submit all
* Then resubmits

Sometimes questions now a different number (which makes it difficult for the student to find the right questions)

Btw: and this is an ergonomics issue: It's not clear what "Finish" and "Submit All" means .... labels probably should be longer, to express the following.

"Submit All and be done with the whole thing"
"Submit All and get a chance to redo"

Posted by Daniel Schneider

By: Daniel Schneider

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Attached the file now (I had to manually remove stuff in the zip ... was to big as told in a new post a few minutes ago)

Posted by Daniel Schneider

By: Andrey Balan

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Hey Daniel,

Thanks for providing us with additional details.

And I raised a new Jira for that problem (http://bugs.lamsfoundation.org/browse/LDEV-2643). However I'm not 100% sure if it's exactly the same problem you've described. Can you please confirm this?

Thanks again,

Posted by Andrey Balan

By: Andrey Balan

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I just wanted to add:
you might have noticed questions are being renumbered due to "Shuffle questions" parameter was activated in author on advanced tab for that learning design.

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By: Daniel Schneider

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Yes absolutly :)
but the teacher want's the questions NUMBERS to remain stable. Else she thinks that students will be too much confused (if they take writing down the Q numbers)

... don't know if that is bug or should be considered as feature.

Posted by Daniel Schneider

By: Andrey Balan

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Numbers remain stable if you're going back and forth between answering and seeing the results. They are changed though if you refresh the page in a browser.

So yeah, that's a feature for now. but I understand what you mean, you want questions being shuffled but at the same time keep the question numbers. I'll talk to Ernie and see what he says

Posted by Andrey Balan

By: Ernie Ghiglione

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Daniel,

> Btw: and this is an ergonomics issue: It's not clear what "Finish" and "Submit
> All" means .... labels probably should be longer, to express the following.

I'm starting to think that for the sake of simplicity, we could have only one button rather than two.

If we keep one button it will be less confusing to students.

Also, the button that I would choose to keep is the one that gives you the option of redo. That way if the student wants to make changes, he/she can... if not it's just one more click to continue to the next activity anyway.

What do you think?

Thanks,

Ernie

Posted by Ernie Ghiglione

By: Daniel Schneider

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Yeah I agree with you. One is enough :)

Posted by Daniel Schneider

By: Ernie Ghiglione

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Consider it done:

http://bugs.lamsfoundation.org/browse/LDEV-2648

Posted by Ernie Ghiglione

By: Spyros Papadakis

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We have the same problem.
Students confuses with Submit and Finish and most of them did not click on "Submit" button.

I suggest we keep only one with the label "Submit & Finish" or "Finish" or "Next Activity"

In my opinion generally is better to be "Next Activity" and only if is the last activity of a sequence to be "Finish" (in all the activities not only in Survey)

We can have a "Redo" or "Change" button if a student wants to make changes. If he or she does not want to make any changes he/she click on Finish or Next Activity.

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By: Daniel Schneider

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Thanx for looking into it. I already requested the file from the teacher. Btw. as a LAMS admin, I find it *VERY* difficult to find squences, in particular if the person uses it through Moodle ;)

I attached a version below plus a picture

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By: Daniel Schneider

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... yeah and you really should allow people to edit posts (at least for 5 minutes, the previous one is junk from a browser tab left open. IGNORE, except the picture

Anyhow my teacher found a * NEW * bug. The picture attached in the previous message shows the problem. The reording question doesn't work. I.e. in a question with four items, students gets 4/4 for only one correct position.

Attached also a LAMS sequence - with heavy zombie Flash files removed ;)

Posted by Daniel Schneider

By: Andrey Balan

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Here you go a new one http://bugs.lamsfoundation.org/browse/LDEV-2644.
I should admit your teacher is being very attentive person as these bugs were in the system for quite a long time without being noticed.
We'll fix them shortly

Thank you,

Posted by Andrey Balan

By: Ernie Ghiglione

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> Btw. as a LAMS admin, I find it *VERY* difficult to find squences, in particular if the person uses it through Moodle ;)

One of the things you can do is login as sysadmin in LAMS. Then go to the sysadmin menu, click on "Find users", and search the user by their name. Once you find it click on "Login as.." and bang! you'll become that person. Then you can go to Author and get ahold of their sequence.

Thanks,

Ernie

Posted by Ernie Ghiglione

By: Daniel Schneider

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If I understand right, you fixed the checkbox bug (unchecked items being kept and ticks appearing out of nowwhere).

If so, would you mind:
* testing it against the latest test file (cereales-legumineuses-bugs1-19-21-22-23-survey-only.zip) referend to in a more recent post (feb 13 also)
* Releasing a war file that I could plug into our LAMS ?

Posted by Daniel Schneider